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Brisbane
27-02-2011, 07:35 PM
Ive just started my first company and need to at least interview web developers to help me with the project and co-own it. im really surprised of the little reply's i get from my seek ad.

where would be the best place in brisbane to find web developers?

thankyou.
Mile

kay
28-02-2011, 02:40 PM
I think what's probably putting people off is what you have in your ad:

"I need a web programmer to come on board to create the actual website. In return what I can offer is a share in ownership of the company."

Given that the overwhelming majority of startups fail, this has bad risk written all over it. I'm not saying your idea is not great (I don't even know what it is) but most professionals are wary of this kind of deal. It's the kind of thing that crashed and burned in 2001.

WorldFamousWebdeveloper
28-02-2011, 07:03 PM
My thought exactly.
Maybe a better wording could be.
"Web Development company seeks Partners for new joint project, extensive Web development experience essential".

kay
01-03-2011, 06:16 AM
Maybe a better wording could be.
"Web Development company seeks Partners for new joint project, extensive Web development experience essential".

Or, get some funding, *pay* your web developers, and keep your profits for yourself.

jexley
01-03-2011, 09:20 AM
"Brain seeks Pinky to do the same thing we do every night... Try To Take Over The WORLD."

Brisbane
01-03-2011, 09:36 PM
Yes i agree with the wording, its one of the things to do tomorrow. im looking for a partner rather than employee. it's the same way facebook, google, virgin etc started. A few friends with different skill sets creating something together, my missing link is that i dont know any friends with the skills i need so i have to find them in strangers. Its alot harder but not impossible.

Its a bit hard to get funding now, with no team and no actual product, to pay web designers. an investor will want to know who the team is and what have we accomplished so far on our own before he looks into details.

Im mildly dyslexic so i have alot of trouble with words. my vocabulary is very simple and sound stupid when i write. If anyone can make a few more suggestions to my add i would much appreciate it.

thankyou very much.

scross
02-03-2011, 06:30 PM
*pay* your web developers

Oh if only people woul d *pay* their web developers.... ;)

scross
02-03-2011, 06:31 PM
You might need to put a business proposal together, to give people some idea that your business idea will offer some return. This might resolve your "funding" issue :)

Brisbane
02-03-2011, 06:46 PM
You might need to put a business proposal together, to give people some idea that your business idea will offer some return. This might resolve your "funding" issue :)

Good idea but it's something i cant promise therefore i shouldn't put it down on paper. I cant guarantee any success or return, no one can. The only thing i can guarantee is that I will keep learning for mistakes, keep getting up and never quitting. Just like facebook and google, there are no guarantee's apart from each member guaranteeing they will try their best.

what i have instead is a 70 page business plan outlining how everything will work, research, marketing, targets etc.

an investor will come after we have the site ready to go online. Web developers is what i need now to get there. I have thought about both sistautions and this is the best way.

Netforge.Gavin
03-03-2011, 08:55 AM
You're doing it the wrong way around, if your idea has legs and you have faith in it, take your business plan to a bank and get a loan, and/or get investors right now, sell your car, house, etc, etc.

It's a big step but it's a case of put your money where your mouth is, if you're not prepared to take on that amount of risk yourself, then developers certainly wont be prepared to 'loan you' that amount of risk either.

Partnerships usually are because two people/friends mutually agree to start on something, and usually it's two developers (or a developer + designer) who can work equally on the project, not just someone with an "idea" and no other skills pitching to try and get pro-bono work, dangling the carrot that when it makes millions the developer will be rich. Trust me, not to be too harsh on you, but everyone in the industry has heard the same story hundreds of times, and it never works out. This is why you aren't really getting any interest, and if you do get interest, you're probably getting a very inexperienced person who hasn't been burned yet.

Vee
03-03-2011, 09:15 AM
and if you do get interest, you're probably getting a very inexperienced person who hasn't been burned yet.

I'll +1 that

I'll also say that if you do accept this person, your project *will* fail because the tech wont be up to scratch.

Brisbane
03-03-2011, 09:27 AM
You're doing it the wrong way around, if your idea has legs and you have faith in it, take your business plan to a bank and get a loan, and/or get investors right now, sell your car, house, etc, etc.

It's a big step but it's a case of put your money where your mouth is, if you're not prepared to take on that amount of risk yourself, then developers certainly wont be prepared to 'loan you' that amount of risk either.

Partnerships usually are because two people/friends mutually agree to start on something, and usually it's two developers (or a developer + designer) who can work equally on the project, not just someone with an "idea" and no other skills pitching to try and get pro-bono work, dangling the carrot that when it makes millions the developer will be rich. Trust me, not to be too harsh on you, but everyone in the industry has heard the same story hundreds of times, and it never works out. This is why you aren't really getting any interest, and if you do get interest, you're probably getting a very inexperienced person who hasn't been burned yet.


Even thou it may be hard its not impossible. Most people stay average because as soon as something appears a little more difficult than normal they say "oh its too hard, people wont do that" etc and start making excuses for why it wont work.

Great achievements were achieved because people pushed through that stage and believed "if its humanly possible, its within their reach". thats the motto i go by so any tips on teaming up with a developer is what im looking for.

Another way to look at it is that there will be alot harder obstacles on the journey later on and if me and my team dont have the mindset of "if its humanly possible, its within our reach" we will give up and be another failure. If i cant achieve this small task what chance do i have when bigger problems arrise. I will get a partner even thou i might not suceed at first, then when time comes to find other people like investors i will be a little stronger at the task. Im not afraid of failing as long as i learn and keep going for my goal.

I hope that makes sense...

Netforge.Gavin
03-03-2011, 04:35 PM
Even thou it may be hard its not impossible. Most people stay average because as soon as something appears a little more difficult than normal they say "oh its too hard, people wont do that" etc and start making excuses for why it wont work.

Great achievements were achieved because people pushed through that stage and believed "if its humanly possible, its within their reach". thats the motto i go by so any tips on teaming up with a developer is what im looking for.

I totally agree that people need to push themselves and take risks to succeed.

The truth is ideas are a dime a dozen, I have hundreds of ideas floating around in my head, but not the time (or capital) to invest them. Bringing an 'idea' to the table isn't really worth a whole lot though, if a developer devotes their own time to create something, they keep 100% of the profit. What possible reason would they 'half' the gains from their risk by splitting 50/50 with you because you have an idea?

Shane SF
04-03-2011, 10:23 AM
Even thou it may be hard its not impossible. Most people stay average because as soon as something appears a little more difficult than normal they say "oh its too hard, people wont do that" etc and start making excuses for why it won't work.

Developers tend to be skeptics because they intuitively know that genuine innovation and breakthrough ideas are very rare. Most products live or die by the level of execution that went into them. And execution is hard.

Most people reserve that level of execution for their own ideas. Everybody have ideas, and we all think that our own ideas are the best. It's harder to be passionate about somebody else's. Bearing that in mind, it's not hard to see why no one bites when you solicit interest for unpaid work without first pitching the idea.

Since you can't post about your idea on the forum, you have to get out there and network. Get to know some developers. Pitch your idea to them privately. No one will put their hands up to do the work without buying into your idea. You will also need to bring some value into the partnership. What can you offer beyond the initial idea? Otherwise, the other party might as well just run off and execute the idea on their own and reap the rewards on their own. If you are worried about people stealing your idea, organise the initial pitch as a consultation meeting for which you pay the developer to sit and evaluate your idea. You do it this way so that you establish that you are the client, that the developer is the contractor, and you get them to sign an NDA. Because no one will sign an NDA just to listen to you pitch to them.

The other options are:
- Throw some money at a bunch of talented people.
- Learn the skills that you will need and execute the idea on your own.

jexley
04-03-2011, 01:29 PM
Learn the skills that you will need and execute the idea on your own.
Which, in my opinion, is about the only way to actually get it done right. When you learn what you need to do, then when you get stuck you can simply look for help with one particular issue.

EG, I drop an email to Meftos and ask for help with turning HTML to XML in PHP, I don't say "Can you build me a website crawler and scraper? I've got a great idea!"

Brisbane
04-03-2011, 07:20 PM
some good points there.

even if i learn to build the website my self its still wont help once it goes online. Think of this as a business that happens to be online. I still need staff to take calls, answer emails, sell, plus other things.

Brisbane
01-04-2011, 09:20 AM
still looking.

it seems everyone wants cash now and not take a risk aven before they've heard the idea.

Google, Facebook, Youtube were all started by a few friends who went and took a risk might i remind people. Im trying to do the same.

Vee
01-04-2011, 09:30 AM
Google, Facebook, Youtube were all started by a few friends who went and took a risk might i remind people.

Difference here being you're not my friend. I don't see how this is so difficult to grasp for people like yourself?

heist
01-04-2011, 01:03 PM
still looking.

it seems everyone wants cash now and not take a risk aven before they've heard the idea.

Google, Facebook, Youtube were all started by a few friends who went and took a risk might i remind people. Im trying to do the same.

I think the difficulty is what you're offering people is an idea and a risk. Ideas are a dime a dozen, working for free on somebody elses idea isn't very enticing, especially when there's a good chance it won't pay off (This is unrelated to your particular businesses, just a lot of ideas fail).

I'm trying to think what I'd do if I were in your position.

If you're dead set against just paying a developer, I think you'll have to give people more of an idea of what you're planning. Pique their interest. "I want you to work on a risky idea that might not pay off" is a pretty difficult sell. "I'm looking for someone to help me build a site to crowdsource teradactyl pictures" is something a developer might be into.

I realise your idea is precious to you, but you're going to have to share it if you're looking for collaborators.

temp
01-04-2011, 02:56 PM
designers and developers are creative people. We shit ideas. Ideas are abundant to us so they're not worth very much.

We have our own ideas and need help with our own projects, you're offering the opposite of what we need.

This isn't insurmountable, you've just gotta work on your pitch. Anyone with an idea so good it needs to be secret will not be able to execute with a free part time hacker.

madpilot
03-04-2011, 01:25 AM
it seems everyone wants cash now and not take a risk aven before they've heard the idea.
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So, you've got a 70 page business plan - that's a good start. Any dev taking equity in a project with someone they don't know has to treat their time like money. You wouldn't give someone you've just met $50,000 for an idea - and to us, time is literally money.

Like the other guys have said, you need to bring something - are you a gun sales guy? Have you run successful businesses before? Do you have a huge network of professionals that you can call on when it's time to get funding, or expand or whatever. If you were hiring a developer with real money, you wouldn't hire someone who's read a couple of books on programming - you want to see some runs on the board. So do we.

Maybe give us some background, and tell us why we should work with you. And "I'll work really hard" isn't enough - it's the same as saying we have a really fast computer: No one really cares if you are working on the wrong problem. Both the Google guys are Computer Scientists and Mathematicians, Zuckerberg is a programmer, The YouTube guys worked at PayPal and Branson is a crazy awesome networker. What about you?

Have you validated your idea? No point starting it if no one wants your offering. I'd suggest having a chat with the guys at Pollenizer (http://www.pollenizer.com/) and do a bootcamp. They specialise in helping business at the stage you are at to work out what to do next. They'll help you validate your idea, they can help you develop your stuff, and help you with funding. It might turn out that you don't even need a coder yet.

Good luck with it.

Brisbane
04-04-2011, 05:43 PM
Why should someone work with me? My passion is large scale business. My learns come from people that are the best in the world at what they do. Marketing strategies are my strong point, followed by company goals and company culture. The rest of the skills i need to find in other people.

Just because i have not yet created a business does not mean what i have cant be a successful buisness.

When Sylvestor Stalone first wrote Rocky, he was constantly turned down by "professional" studios who kept saying no we dont want to do the movie or no we dont you to be the main actor because you have no expreience. He stuck to his guns and eventually was a huge hit from his first movie. Iam in the same position, no experience only inexperienced/limited knowlege, but does not mean i cant do it.

Lady GaGa, she got turned down over 20 times by "professional" labels who did not want to give her a chance for whatever reasons. She stuck to her guns and in the end she is the first artist in history to reach over 1 billion views on Youtube.

I have what i have and i sticking to it. if other people want to go do their own ideas, go for it, if you want to be a part of mine AND YOU MUST LIVE IN BRISBANE, please feel free to contact me.

Thankyou.

temp
04-04-2011, 06:02 PM
When Sylvestor Stalone first wrote Rocky....

Lady GaGa, she got turned down over 20 times by "professional" labels....

Please post a link to your project when it's live.

Vee
04-04-2011, 07:04 PM
Please post a link to your project when it's live.

I would rather see the business plan based on Rocky and Gaga.

danspace
05-04-2011, 01:20 AM
This comes to mind.
http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html

Brisbane
14-04-2011, 08:12 PM
^^ thanks for the above. It really helps. I have come to terms long ago no matter who you are, what you are trying to do or what you have done, there will always be people who don't like it.


Anyway, im looking for a good Architect to talk to and a an experienced coder in brisbane? can anyone help me there. Thanks.

heist
15-04-2011, 01:41 PM
edit: meh

Mr C
21-04-2011, 12:45 AM
When Sylvestor Stalone first wrote Rocky, he was constantly turned down by "professional" studios who kept saying no we dont want to do the movie or no we dont you to be the main actor because you have no expreience.



Or maybe it was more to do with "Party at Kitty and Studs"?

Reeco
29-11-2011, 12:27 PM
How did this end up i wonder? ....good bad?

Tangles
18-03-2012, 01:35 PM
I was just reading through your post, thinking to myself this does sound like my situation, as I am a boilermaker working in the mines and have plenty of time to plan out my idea. *

For me it is not about the money it will make its more about just getting it to happen, because in my situation it will bring change to the recruitment industry. * I have been researching my idea for years and I have finally found what I have been looking for, how to make money from the start, not like all the other resume database site out there.

I was speaking to my brother the other day as he is in Brisbane doing IT programs, he said in their third year they have to do a business as a project, maybe you could try this.*contact the local unis in Brisbane.

As with my idea I am thinking of just putting it out there and let people think it was their idea and just watch it develop because I am not a developer.

Maybe you could out source to overseas developers they are so cheap, try elance.com, all you need now is a basic site to see of your idea is going to work.

I paid 6thousand dollars last year to get a app developed on Facebook and the developer could have been better, my friends could not even find it in the Facebook search.

Goodluck.

Zen
07-06-2012, 02:47 PM
Just a tip:

If you want good developers, pay them good money.

good developers = good product = good profits (hopefully)

ozneilau
25-07-2012, 07:12 PM
I was speaking to my brother the other day as he is in Brisbane doing IT programs, he said in their third year they have to do a business as a project, maybe you could try this.*contact the local unis in Brisbane.

This is one of the best suggestions in the thread so far!

Most web developers are probably like me who like a roof over their head and need to pay other bills every month. This limits the amount of free time they have to work on projects that may or may not be rewarded later.

Web developers with passive incomes and free time probably have entrepreneurial ideas of their own to risk their time on.

The uni. student idea is good because they have the time to work on a project and often this can be for the experience rather than the reward. I have a client who got uni students here in Perth to create her restaurant website and the results were quite good. (I have improved it a little bit).

Neil.