Do you use a framework?

[tsick]

Just interested to see what people are using..

If you use a framework, which one and why?

If you don't.. why not?

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I use the symfony framework. Started using it a few years ago because it wasn't feasible to dev without a framework.

I chose symfony over Cake etc because of the superior community and documentation.

[tuna]

please clarify are you talking

Front end dev
Back end dev

or something else really weird.

[tsick]

I'm talking about any application.

I use symfony for both frontend and backend applications

[kay]

lol, tsick you're talking about server side as in php code. Tuna was asking if you mean a php/asp/cf/jsp framework or a javascript or css framework (i.e. client side).

I inherited one site that used symfony, but found someone else to take over. To me it seemed very much overcomplicated. But I'm not a PHP coder, I'm a CF coder, and yes I use a framework for that. For our PHP stuff we have our own framework inhouse, based on MVC but customised to the kinds of work we usually do.

[tsick]

haha ok, thought that question was strange. We are in the PHP/MYSQL section though

I can see your point about it being complicated, it took me 2 months to fully conquer.

I used to have my own PHP framework aswell, however maintaining it (security, depracted functions in PHP5, legacy versions on 30+ sites etc) became a real problem and also it didn't scale out as well as I would've hoped when I started doing larger projects.

[Mr C]

I've used it in the past (previous employment), and I have to say, I'm not a fan of it.

Most of the time I code OO php in an MVC style, and have a built up a library of classes to simplify the frequent common tasks.

I started with mojavi before symfony existed, (the core mvc stuff in symfony came from mojavi), and still like it for its simplicity and ease of use, but rarely use it.

I have been wanting to check out Zend framework for a while now.

[tsick]

I guess it depends what you use it for. Would'nt make sense to use it for a standard website, but if your building a web app or enterprise grade site using a framework like symfony has significant advantages.

[Vee]

I've been working with CodeIgniter in the last couple of weeks, can't complain

If there are any gurus here, PM me your deets as I may have a large project coming up that I would like to have developed on CI but don't want to be turning all (any) of the screws myself.

[Botman]

I use CakePHP.

Why? It does a good amount of work for you while keeping out of your way. Though that's probably true for everyone and their preferred frameworks.

I am always open to something better but yeah, I've found CakePHP to be consistently good enough.

Biggest weakness is that out-of-the-box, I find the view mark-up gets pretty messy because you end up with:

if (!empty($product['Product']['name'])) {
echo $product['Product']['name'];
}

Otherwise you risk an Undefined Index warning if the variable was not set.

Give me Smarty syntax any day: {$product.Product.name}

[Vee]

Surely there is a template engine available for CakePHP?